In this episode, we learn that making champagne and making a magazine isn’t all that different. We also learn what happens when you bring a legendary east London drag queen to rural France.

Our guests: The Gourmand founder David Lane and Adam Saletti, co-owner of Selavy Champagne.

If you flip through issues of bi-annual food and culture magazine The Gourmand, you'll find an interview with the Cookie Monster or a photo feature of hot dogs posing with actual dogs. David is also creative director of Lane & Associates creative agency and, since last October, an art director with Frieze, the art fair and its associated publications.

Adam is the former publisher of magazines like The Gentlewoman and Luncheon. In June 2016, he helped create Selavy, described as “a hand-crafted queer champagne made from organically grown grapes on the mountain of Bonneil, France.”

One the agenda: why food is such a common topic for a magazine, building Champagne’s outside the box branding, and whether The Gourmand and Selavy are part of a trend or the start of era in food journalist and branding.