In design, there’s a certain aesthetic we imagine we hear the word “sophistication” – it’s likely muted, neutral, maybe even sombre. And, we apply it often: to offices, to homes, to restaurants, to hotels.

But these spaces aren't often very ‘joyful’. Joyful spaces are playful and bright. And, so, we often think of joyful places as those for children. Rarely do we think the two can co-exist. One is mature, the other juvenile.

More and more, however, designers are challenging this preconception, and questioning why we so often push joy to the margins and write it off as something that lacks in refinement or elegance.

In the Pod today, two such people: Morag Myerscough and Ingrid Fetell Lee.