When Vicky Richardson met Nelly Ben Hayoun, Nelly was wearing a space suit. Nelly is an award-winning director and experience designer, who has worked with artists, musicians, scientist and engineers devising boundary-breaking events and experiences. Vicky is the former Director of Architecture, Design and Fashion at the British Council. In 2016, she was Commissioner for the British Pavilion at Venice Architecture Biennale. They met in the pod to talk about post-Brexit creativity and breaking free from the institution.